Install Kitchen Faucet With Pex

The traditional way of connecting PEX to copper involves using a threaded sweat adapter on the copper side (to connect with the PEX fitting) and soldering to create a watertight seal. A rough stub out is installing a special copper fitting that will adapt to the PEX. Notice at the end, there is a cap called a rough fitting, which allows you to charge up the system with air or water to test to see if there are any leaks. After the walls are up, you can cut off the cap and install the finish valves. Shut the water off to the house and open all the faucets in the house to remove any water remaining in the pipes. Cut and remove all the polybutylene piping from the house. Run new PEX piping through all the locations where the polybutylene used to be. Connect the pipes using PEX fittings and the expansion tool. Delta Faucet Essa Pull Down Kitchen Faucet with Pull Down Sprayer, Kitchen Sink Faucet, Faucets for Kitchen Sinks, Single-Handle, Magnetic Docking Spray Head, Arctic Stainless 9113-AR-DST. Everything you need is together in 1 box, including an optional deck plate for 3-hole installation and InnoFlex PEX supply lines that are integrated into.

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StringedInstruments
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DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by StringedInstruments on 11/14/20 at 6:14 pm
All of the pipes in my old house have been replaced with PEX except for the pipe that runs into my kitchen sink. The water pressure is abysmal and I’d like to switch to PEX.
Is this a possible DIY project or one that’s best left to plumbers?
I’d have to crawl through a pretty cramped crawl space to get to the sink if it matters.

re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by Clames on 11/14/20 at 6:32 pm to StringedInstruments
Depends on how dedicated a DIY'er you are. I have my own set of PEX tools for crimp or expansion fittings so for me it's an easy DIY, you may not want to make the investment in tools and time for a single job though. Also, for water pressure situations, PEX is often the culprit more than the solution depending on the system used. Crimped PEX fittings really cramp down the overall inside diameter, you need to upsize to a 3/4' PEX to meet the need of a 1/2' copper run. Expansion PEX systems don't suffer from that issue though.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by TigerBalsagna on 11/14/20 at 6:32 pm to StringedInstruments
Not sure this solves your pressure problem, but if you are up for it...do it. Its an easy job if access is good.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by StringedInstruments on 11/14/20 at 8:29 pm to TigerBalsagna
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Not sure this solves your pressure problem,

So then it is a plumber job since the pressure is all I’m after. The trickle of water is making washing dishes a total pain in the ass.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by dltigers3 on 11/14/20 at 8:38 pm to StringedInstruments
Have you taken the screens off your faucet to make sure they aren’t clogged?

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by StringedInstruments on 11/14/20 at 8:56 pm to dltigers3

Pex Faucet Hose

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Have you taken the screens off your faucet to make sure they aren’t clogged?

Yep. Faucet is only a year old anyway.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by dltigers3 on 11/15/20 at 6:17 am to StringedInstruments
Gotcha, has it had low pressure since it was installed a year ago or is this a new issue?

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by StringedInstruments on 11/15/20 at 10:49 am to dltigers3
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Gotcha, has it had low pressure since it was installed a year ago or is this a new issue?

Low pressure before install. Gradually getting worse though.
Home inspector said pressure for the house is fine and that it’s probably the steel pipe.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by MikeBRLA on 11/15/20 at 11:08 am to StringedInstruments
How is access? This is the main thing. If your house is on a slab and the copper is currently running through the slab and your kitchen sink has a window in front of it then getting pex down the attic and around the window is going to be a major issue. That is probably why that is the only faucet that hasn’t been converted to pex.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by dltigers3 on 11/15/20 at 11:38 am to StringedInstruments
If the pressure has gotten worse I would say it is due to some buildup, if you can get decent access, PEX is easy to work with. I would suggest buying uponor pex that expands. This type has no reduction in the lines so you will have maximum flow. You can buy a cheap expansion tool on Amazon, or at a local supply house.
Another easy thing to possibly check would be the shutoff valve for the faucet. Maybe something hung up as it went through the restriction there

re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by td1 on 11/15/20 at 8:31 pm to dltigers3
after the shutoff, if you have a removable cartridge valve on the sink, check it too. We had a shower that had low pressure and I shut off the water and remove the valve cartridge. It had some screens on it that were clogged.
If possible you could also try unscrewing the shutoff valve with the water turned off at the street and see if debris has built up before the valve. maybe even turn it on real quick with a bucket somehow rigged or held to help blow anything out too.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by Clames on 11/15/20 at 8:53 pm to StringedInstruments
Faucet
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. Faucet is only a year old anyway.

Doesn't matter, they can clog instantly if you've stirred up enough loose debris during the installation. That's why you are supposed to pull the aerator or filter screen to flush out the crud before putting it in use.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by awestruck on 11/16/20 at 3:46 am to StringedInstruments
Couple of things not mentioned
Faucets (valves) have a flow rate. They're seldom talked about but listed somewhere on the packaging. It'll be listed as GPM. And fortunately or unfortunately depending on how your looking at it.. these have been lowered several times over the years. So if your new valve has less flow than before (and the line and screens clear) this could be the culprit. You might check the model number online and see what it's rated. Then perform a check like this one... here. It's for a bath and shower but same principal. Some of the new ones are embarrassingly slow and it's really not a matter of price. It's a matter of design.
Another consideration
Instead of purchasing the equipment for crimping PEX (either major method) you could go with a Shark-Bite type coupling. And while it may indeed have that little inline piece to reduce the flow somewhat... I'm guessing it'll still deliver more than the flow rate of most new valves. They are a bit pricey; however the total price of this method will be way less than any other way (this side of borrowing the tools).
One caution: fasten the pipe well (using a fastener) so that there's no side pressure on these connections. They do not function well (meaning they'll eventually leak) with much lateral/side pressure. So while you can bend PEX on a run; always fix/attach to something solid near the fitting. Support it. Another hint: pencil mark the PEX an inch (perhaps) from the end... so you can tell how far it's into the fitting when done.
eta: USE TWO fasteners one may not be enough
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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by awestruck on 11/16/20 at 3:50 am to awestruck
Haven't ever done this...
But I'm guessing you could always do that flow rate test through the faucet. And then again using a supply line coming off the stop valve.
To compare results...it's sounds like your more than capable for such... and it's cheap.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by ConstructionAg on 11/16/20 at 11:50 am to StringedInstruments
I just got through doing a PEX (Uponor/expansion) re-pipe of my entire house, well...almost done, to replace the old galvanized steel pipe. There were times through the process where I was turning the main water supply on and off again since I kind of replaced it in phases to keep running water most of the time. In doing this, our kitchen sink, which had decent pressure before, all the sudden got noticeably worse (still connected at that time to galvanized pipe). Figured it would get better in a few weeks once I had replaced the pipe to PEX to the sink. But it did not. Even when connected to PEX. I cleaned all the screens and there was noticeable rust in them but it did not improve the pressure.
I ended up disconnecting the flexible supply hoses under the sink (both hot and cold) at the valves and put those ends into a bucket. With the screen and aerator removed, I took my air compressor and shot air at the faucet down into the bucket. Sure enough, chips of rust shot out and pressure was good again.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by Clames on 11/16/20 at 7:57 pm to awestruck
I did some plumbing work recently, client complained about how little flow was coming out of the new shower heads. Pulled them down, got a small pick, and removed a small black o-ring that served as the flow restrictor in each one. Much better flow.

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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by baldona on 11/17/20 at 7:12 am to Clames
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If OP has steel pipe his issue is likely mineral build up in the pipes reducing the flow. While Pex does have smaller inside diameters then copper, a 1/2 pex is still plenty for showers and faucets. 1/2 pex will deliver more water then most shower heads and faucets can deliver themselves.


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re: DIY PEX pipe installation and replacement of steel pipePosted by dltigers3 on 11/17/20 at 10:49 am to baldona
And I may be wrong on this, but if you use uponor pex, you have no constriction through the fittings like you would with similar sized copper pipe so in reality, there should be no difference in flow rates when you account for the copper friction loss in the fittings

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Introduction

PEX is a cross-linked polyethylene that is formed into tubing. Due to high prices of copper, synthetic materials are now being preferred, an example is for PEX plumbing. This kind of plumbing system has over years gained popularity due to its use and flexibility of fitting. Furthermore, PEX is advantageous in that it can flexibly bend around corners as compared to copper and polyvinyl chloride piping. Hence making PEX easier and quick to install. On the other hand, research has shown that PEX is associated with much failures compared to copper and PVC plumbing systems. Among the failures is the occurrence of fitting failures water leakages that causes great damage. This article therefore will discuss the failures of PEX by giving its history, use, production process and the lawsuits that have been put across.

History and use of PEX plumbing

Cross-linked polyethylene (PEX) was originally invented in the 1950’s, (Bellis 2010) but improved by Dow Corning and Thomas Engel in the 1960’s. Originally, it was marketed to Europe as an alternative to copper in the heating and plumbing industries. In the United States, PEX has been used since the 1980’s for radiant heating systems, but has not been popular for potable water until the recent years

PEX production process

PEX can be produced using one of the three processes;

The first and most common is the Engel process. The Engel process relies on temperature and pressure along with peroxide to create the cross-linking during extrusion. Tubing is produced using Peroxide where free radicals are created when HDPE polymer is melted and cross-links between molecules occur at temperatures that exceed the decomposition temperature of the polymer.

The Silane method is done by grafting a Silane molecule onto the polyethylene backbone and with the use of a catalyst, the piping is fed through an extruder. The cross-linking takes place by exposing the tubing to steam or hot water after extrusion.

Lastly, the electron beam method. Starts by extruding high density polyethylene. After extrusion, the tubing is taken to an electron beam assembly and exposed to a prescribed amount of radiation. The radiation emitted allows to break the existing links between molecules of the polymer and initiate cross-linking process.

PEX failures

PEX plumbing system has been used for more years and therefore its failures has been observed and known. Its major failures is linked to piping and fitting. Piping fails when the pipes are exposed to chlorine that is within the water, exposure to direct sunlight before its installation. Furthermore PEX pipe is vulnerable when it comes in contact with such solutions as petroleum products and oxygen. It can leach toxic chemicals from pipe material also. On the other hand, fitting failure is caused by dezincification that results to corrosion and finally creating leaks. The various causes of PEX plumbing system failures are discussed at length.

Chlorine

Chlorination has direct effect on the lifespan and reliability of PEX plumbing system. When pipes get in contact with chlorine that is within the water, it causes PEX failure that will therefore cause leakages.

To battle the effects of chlorine, manufacturers have added antioxidants to the PEX piping. The antioxidants are provided for sacrificial purposes where the chlorine will degrade the antioxidants first. Once these antioxidants are all degraded, the PEX piping is no longer protected and the piping starts to oxidize quickly before failing.

Sunlight

PEX is vulnerable to sunlight and hence degrades very fast. This means that tubing cannot be carried out where there is direct exposure to ultra-violet rays, hence forcing the plumber to store it away from sunlight before installation and much care from daylight after fixing it. Otherwise failure will be experienced due to loss of flexibility and elasticity. Therefore, PEX piping manufacturers fixes this failure by allowing only 6 months of exposure for PEX plumbing that has had ultraviolet stabilizer added during production.

Permeability

According to manufacturers of PEX piping, it is a known fact that PEX is permeable to certain chemicals and oxygen. Although oxygen may not be considered as a major issue by most individuals, it is a problem in closed loop systems. In closed loop systems, often radiant flooring systems, oxygen can cause corrosion of the heating elements. Similarly, when PEX piping is used underground, the piping can come in contact with ground water. In most cases, this is not a problem. However, in areas where the ground water has been contaminated by petroleum products, the gasoline additive Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE), or pesticides, PEX piping can permeate these chemicals through the pipe and into the potable water thus contaminating the supply of water.

Chemical leaching

Install Kitchen Faucet With Pex

During the Engle process of producing PEX piping, chemical byproducts are often left behind in the pipe. The most prominent are Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE) and Tert-Butyl Alcohol (TBA). The amount these chemicals can leach into potable water is uncertain, but one test of AQUAPEX pipe, manufactured by Uponor Wirsbo, showed MTBE levels of 17 parts per billion (ppb) and TBA levels at 6900 ppb. Therefore the primary reason for leaching of chemicals from PEX is over-chlorination.

The possible solution therefore is to test water quality and determine whether PEX is suitable. Facts shows that water PH should be at or above 6.5 and chlorine concentration should be at or below 4.0 parts per million (ppml).

Dezincification

This process occurs with certain water chemistry, causing selective leaching of zinc from brass alloy and resulting in weakening of the fitting and leakages. To counter this problem, most PEX companies have already opted for a dezincification-resistant brass for their fittings. PPSU (poly alloy) PEX fittings can replace brass since they are not subject to this process and are widely available. Another method would be to use a “home-run” type system with continuous PEX pipe runs from a main manifold to the plumbing fixture, without any fittings or connections behind the walls. While this does not entirely exclude the possibility of dezincification of manifold and supply stop valves, it presents a safer alternative with better means of early problem detection and repair.

Lawsuits

Due to the failures listed above, a civil lawsuit had been filed against AQUAPEX. Majorly for piping leaching chemicals into the potable water and class action lawsuits against Zurn and Kitec in regards to their respective PEX products for the dezincification of brass fittings. Discussed below are two resolved lawsuits that involve the piping and the fittings of PEX plumbing systems.

Piping

With PEX, there is limited adhesives for pipe insulation that makes pipes to prematurely get damaged due to its detrimental effects. Therefore a plumber should opt for other insulating materials such as conventional form wrap insulation with no effects.

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While very few lawsuits have emerged dealing with the PEX piping, one major lawsuit in Arizona deals with chemical leaching. For instance, with AQUAPEX plumbing pipes, they cause water to have a bad taste hence could result to health risks due to contamination.

Fittings

It is expensive to fit PEX, especially the compression ones other than copper PEX. Since it is flexible for plumbing, then it generally require few fittings which seem to incur higher cost per fitting.

Most lawsuits dealing with PEX piping deal with the dezincification of the fittings. Zurn and Kitec, manufacturers of brass fittings for PEX piping. They have been involved with lawsuits dealing with dezincification of brass fittings. The Kitec fittings therefore are still sold and used without major incidents. Hence, it is still considered the common PEX fitting.

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Recommendations

If PEX is to be used, one has to consider the potential of health risks. If PEX is to be used for portable water for instance, PEX piping should be done in soil that contains petroleum to minimize corrosion of the PEX, hence making water less contaminated. Furthermore, prevention is better than cure. One must consider asking the seller or someone who has used PEX plumbing system before if they have ever had any water problem. Lastly, one has to be aware of fitting problems. Therefore you should consult if previous fittings have failed, may be due to PEX lifetime or blockage. The owner should consider choosing a trustworthy installer that will ensure that it won’t fail if exposed to sunlight.

Conclusions

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From the failures discussed above, water flowing through PEX could be harmful for human consumption since it might contain toxics. Therefore, choice to consider using PEX plumbing system should be at the owner’s risk even though it’s cheap.

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